"Toby F., Manager" (itsmefromhr)
10/18/2018 at 21:13 • Filed to: None
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"Toby F., Manager" (itsmefromhr)
10/18/2018 at 21:13 • Filed to: None | 0
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There are just some things school and life don’t teach you how to approach, such as asking for a raise.
Some facts:
I’m going to be celebrating my one year at my current company soon, and in the past year I’ve taken on much more responsibilities that are beyond what I was originally hired for. Also in the past year, I saw a $2.50 “ raise,” which while nice, isn ’t really all that considering that I was already (and still am) underpaid by about $10k according to the going market rate and that I went from a “temp” to regular employee. I also missed out on the company “market rate adjustment” because of the aforementioned “raise.” Additionally, since I assist with compensation and benefits, and have access to all comp data and process 90% of HRIS input , I’ve seen what many other’s have made in other positions outside of my own. Additionally, one of my coworkers left recently, and I absorbed much of what they were resonsible for in addition to my own. And lastly, while I’ve complained about the pains of working for the company, I’ve grown to... tolerate them, make a name for myself, develop strong bonds with the employees we service and many of the directors , provide a level of customer service that I’ve been told exceeds those that had held the position before me, and contribute to driving efficiency and cost savings, and grown from a recent college student entering the workforce full time to a growing seasoned professional.
Now, with that said, I’d like to make more. I’m currently interviewing for a company and everything seems to sway towards me receiving an offer, but I don’t want to leave my current org just yet... so, I’d like to ask for a raise that equates from 8 to 10k more - which woukd bring me to just about the going market rate . How do I go about doing so? Your advice is welcomed. I work in HR, and I don’t even know how to approach it.
Side note: it’s a stingy company when it comes to pay , but I’ve seen other departments give out increases of about the same, if not greater amounts.
BigBlock440
> Toby F., Manager
10/18/2018 at 21:43 |
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I just got a raise by telling my boss I was turning in my 2 weeks notice. They we new, which probably helped because they didn’t want to shed talent that quickly, but they asked if I would be willing to stay and to hold on to my notice. They ended up beating the offer I had and I got an $8k raise. Granted, the last 2 times I did that, they just accepted it and moved on, probably because they knew I was done.
AestheticsInMotion
> Toby F., Manager
10/18/2018 at 21:44 |
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Come to the table with data. “I’ve saved the company x money by doing y, here, let me show you”, etc. Be confidant. Don’t do the whole “if I don’t get a raise I’ll leave” thing, unless they’d struggle greatly to fill the position (maybe?). And even then... Every boss out there is going to get a red flag from that.
I will say having access to the salaries of others in your company is rough. Seeing someone make $300,000 when they’re just one spot above me and I make what I do... Definitely m ade me want a raise even more.
SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> Toby F., Manager
10/18/2018 at 21:46 |
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Never actually done it before but I’m at that age where you are reasonably self confident and better prepared to put yourself out there...failure be damned. However, I also heard this on the radio recently and thought it was excellent advice
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/hack/10316816
nermal
> Toby F., Manager
10/18/2018 at 22:05 |
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Talk to your manager, tell them you’d like to be compensated for your increased responsibilities. If you want $10k more, ask for $15k and let them negotiate down.
At the same time, don’t stop interviewing at other companies. When you get a better offer, give notice professionally and move on. Don’t accept a counter offer, f
uck ‘em. That’s what they get for being cheap.
Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition
> AestheticsInMotion
10/18/2018 at 22:08 |
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Would it be ethical to use your direct knowledge of other employees salary, in your own salary negotiations? I don’t know the answer, and it’s something I’ve never had to think about. It is privileged information that not all employees have access to. I’ve heard of some employers forbid discussing salary with co-workers. That it is bullshit and cowardly. If one of my co-workers asks, I’m always honest.
jimz
> Toby F., Manager
10/18/2018 at 22:46 |
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hell if I know. the company I work for (like most in the industry) has defined salary grades. “asking for a raise” is pointless. I’m at the top of the highest general salary roll grade. only way I can get a raise is to be promoted to the first level of management, and there’s no way in hell I want that.
Nick Has an Exocet
> Toby F., Manager
10/18/2018 at 23:34 |
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Tough situation (aren’t they always). I would have a serious but de-escalated conversation. Just a simple: “hey boss, can we chat about something that’s on my mind?”. I think it’s fair to let them know that your comp is kind of grinding at you and you’re having the conversation because you want it to keep you from distracting you at a job you like and are growing at. Stay confident, bring up how you’ve grown and how much more you want to bring to the table.
That’s probably how I would do it. I’m in a similar situation at the moment but the delta is about $75k. I would be lucky to get half of that, but I’m frankly quite sick of being bay-area-poor. There’s 0 reasons why my company shouldn’t stomach paying me what they pay other directors. At the moment, I have a direct report (who I love to work with) making $110k more than I make. Frankly, I think he’ll continue to make more than I do and I’m fine with that. He’s more experienced, specialized, and one of maybe 5 people in the world with his skills. But damn is it awkward to have to put on a good face for 95% of the company and pretend things are good. I have this nagging feeling like I need to overspend my comfort level on clothes to maintain appearances. It’s stupid.
I got into it with our HR person the other day. She had pulled salary data for my raise but benchmarked the wrong position. When I called her on it, she mentioned that she always gets screwed too and that I shouldn’t expect much. It’s not her place to decide what to benchmark, it’s between the CEO and myself. I know that in her mind, because she “always gets screwed”, making sure other people are in her boat makes her feel better. Sigh. Just steer clear of people like that if possible.
Dogsatemypants
> Toby F., Manager
10/19/2018 at 17:37 |
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Be prepared to walk, slap your dick on the table and raise an eyebrow.